In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."







If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be? After all, God knows all things. Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God.

kelly wrote:

Jerry wrote:

In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."







If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be? After all, God knows all things. Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God.

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Jerry wrote:

In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."







If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be? After all, God knows all things. Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God.

i looked at the verse before too



for one..no one but the Father knows the day or the hour....but it didnt say anything about the year...



i think have a year that i think it will happen...but i wont share that here



as far as God and Christ



this has fumbled the Church for over 1500 years



i will "attempt" to answer this ..even if my fellow Christians may holler "BLASPHEMEY"





1. the word God is a title in the hebrew language it is Elohim



2. in the bible it proves that there are many Elohim (gods) "i can prove this but shouldnt have to as it is very obvious"



3. Elohim can be used plural or singular "like deer" "read my lastest blog on this"



4. In the bible where it says "I am the Lord your God" "in hebrew it says "I am YHVH "your" Elohim"



5. Christ was equal with the God the Father but gave up his power to save our sorry behinds



6. The deity that is above both the Father and the Son is known as the Holy Spirit



7. In the time before Christ , the Father was called "the Ancient of days" , Christ was called "the Son of man" and the Holy Spirit was called "The Most High'



8. the holy trinity is not what most Christians are taught



if anyone wants to know more...please read my blog " to all atheist" or message me

he may return when people start using his actual name and to paraphrase bill hicks stop wearing crosses

The Enigmatic wrote:

Jerry wrote:

In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."







If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be? After all, God knows all things. Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God.

i looked at the verse before too



for one..no one but the Father knows the day or the hour....but it didnt say anything about the year...



Jesus gave the signs to look for to know that his presence was going on..and that his coming was soon...he likened it to a season..so, we can recognize by the signs that we are living in the last days..we simply to not know the day and hour.



i think have a year that i think it will happen...but i wont share that here



as far as God and Christ



this has fumbled the Church for over 1500 years



i will "attempt" to answer this ..even if my fellow Christians may holler "BLASPHEMEY"





1. the word God is a title in the hebrew language it is Elohim



true..elhohim is used to denote god, god's angels...however, the term almighty god is used ONLY when referring to Jehovah/YHWH



2. in the bible it proves that there are many Elohim (gods) "i can prove this but shouldnt have to as it is very obvious"



3. Elohim can be used plural or singular "like deer" "read my lastest blog on this"



4. In the bible where it says "I am the Lord your God" "in hebrew it says "I am YHVH "your" Elohim"



correct! The divine name Jehovah/YHWH appears over seven thousand times in the bible but has been removed and supplanted by the captiolized LORD or GOD



5. Christ was equal with the God the Father but gave up his power to save our sorry behinds



There is no evidence in the bible that Christ was, is or is going to be equal to god. The very opposite is true.



6. The deity that is above both the Father and the Son is known as the Holy Spirit



There is nothing in the bible to support this statement



7. In the time before Christ , the Father was called "the Ancient of days" , Christ was called "the Son of man" and the Holy Spirit was called "The Most High'



give refrences?



8. the holy trinity is not what most Christians are taught



if anyone wants to know more...please read my blog " to all atheist" or message me

right now im at work...if you would send me a mail in myspace ..and i will

Jerry wrote:

In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."







If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be? After all, God knows all things. Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God.

As a man and as a Jew, Jesus was in a humbled state, under the Law, and lower than the angels. As a result of these conditions, Jesus had to operate in agreement with His humbled condition; that is, He had to act as a man, completely as a man who was under the Law of God.



In order for Jesus to be under the Law (Gal. 4:4), He would have to become a man, born of a woman.

To be under the Law would mean that Jesus would have to be circumcised.

This can only happen if He was a baby.

He would then grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52).

It means that He would be subject to His parents per Exodus 20:12.

It means that He would have to wait until the appropriate time in His life to enter into the ministry.

None of these things negates His divine nature.



Being under the Law necessitates that He be a man, that He behave as a man, and that being a man means that all the LIMITATIONS and qualities of being a man are also His -- at least while incarnated.

Again, this does not mean that He does not possess a divine nature. It means that as He emptied Himself to become a man (Phil. 2:7) and that He cooperated with the limitations of being a man under the Law.







Phil. 2:6-8, "...although He [Jesus] existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

you'd think the carrot and stick scheme would work if there actually was a planned date for Vishnu's return?

Jerry wrote:

In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."







If Jesus is God in flesh, then shouldn't He know what the day and hour of his return would be? After all, God knows all things. Therefore, if Jesus doesn't know all things, then He cannot be God.

Matt. 24:36 But (the re-establishment of Jerusalem as the capital in the State of Israel, in the year 1980), of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, (there is none who could predict), not the (archetypal) angels (in the mental realm) of heaven, but my Father, (the Word), only (can, especially through His prophets, Isaiah, Zechariah, Ezekiel, and Daniel).

The Enigmatic wrote:



*snip*



i looked at the verse before too



for one..no one but the Father knows the day or the hour....but it didnt say anything about the year...



i think have a year that i think it will happen...but i wont share that here



as far as God and Christ



this has fumbled the Church for over 1500 years



i will "attempt" to answer this ..even if my fellow Christians may holler "BLASPHEMEY"





1. the word God is a title in the hebrew language it is Elohim



2. in the bible it proves that there are many Elohim (gods) "i can prove this but shouldnt have to as it is very obvious"



3. Elohim can be used plural or singular "like deer" "read my lastest blog on this"



4. In the bible where it says "I am the Lord your God" "in hebrew it says "I am YHVH "your" Elohim"



5. Christ was equal with the God the Father but gave up his power to save our sorry behinds



6. The deity that is above both the Father and the Son is known as the Holy Spirit



7. In the time before Christ , the Father was called "the Ancient of days" , Christ was called "the Son of man" and the Holy Spirit was called "The Most High'



8. the holy trinity is not what most Christians are taught



if anyone wants to know more...please read my blog " to all atheist" or message me

Uhhhhh, no it's not "very obvious." You'll need to be providing more than the statement that it's obvious as evidence of that claim.

The Time of the End shall be in the year of 4, 500, 002, 007

slactweak wrote:

The Enigmatic wrote:





i looked at the verse before too



for one..no one but the Father knows the day or the hour....but it didnt say anything about the year...

Uhhhhh, no it's not "very obvious." You'll need to be providing more than the statement that it's obvious as evidence of that claim.

Danial said it would start with the first event in 1290 "days" followed by another 1335 or 45 years more, to end the times.



Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see (finished, in 690 AD), the abomination, (the Mosque of Omar upon the site) of desolation (of the

Temple), as spoken of by Daniel the prophet: [Dan.12:11], stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand:



Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see (the Mosque of Omar, finished in 690 AD), the abomination, (the Dome of the Rock), of (the Temple’s) desolation (sitting directly over The Most Holy Room of the Temple), spoken of by Daniel the prophet: [Dan. 12:11], standing (in the demolished temple area) where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand: [Matthew 24:15]), then let them, (Jew and Christian), that (still) be in Judaea, (in 690 AD as many still were), flee, ... (for death or Islam will become mandatory), flee to the mountains (as have most other Jews in the Diaspora that already had taken place previously

in 70 AD):



Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken

away, (in 70 AD), and (until) the abomination, (the Dome of the Rock),

that maketh (the Most Holy Place) desolate set up there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days, (690 + 1290 = 1980 AD, the re-establishment of the State of Israel, the sign of the fig tree: [Matthew24:32], and the establishment of Jerusalem as Capital of Israel: [Zech. 8:3]).

slactweak wrote:

The Enigmatic wrote:



*snip*



i looked at the verse before too



for one..no one but the Father knows the day or the hour....but it didnt say anything about the year...



i think have a year that i think it will happen...but i wont share that here



as far as God and Christ



this has fumbled the Church for over 1500 years



i will "attempt" to answer this ..even if my fellow Christians may holler "BLASPHEMEY"





1. the word God is a title in the hebrew language it is Elohim



2. in the bible it proves that there are many Elohim (gods) "i can prove this but shouldnt have to as it is very obvious"



3. Elohim can be used plural or singular "like deer" "read my lastest blog on this"



4. In the bible where it says "I am the Lord your God" "in hebrew it says "I am YHVH "your" Elohim"



5. Christ was equal with the God the Father but gave up his power to save our sorry behinds



6. The deity that is above both the Father and the Son is known as the Holy Spirit



7. In the time before Christ , the Father was called "the Ancient of days" , Christ was called "the Son of man" and the Holy Spirit was called "The Most High'



8. the holy trinity is not what most Christians are taught



if anyone wants to know more...please read my blog " to all atheist" or message me

Uhhhhh, no it's not "very obvious." You'll need to be providing more than the statement that it's obvious as evidence of that claim.

ok will do....someone has emailed me asking me to provide references...and i will



give me some time to work on it (when i provide references..i try my best..or not at all..so it will have ALOT of info"



i will reply to this email first then paste what i sent as well



or email me and ill paste you the same thing

kelly wrote:

only God knows the hour

No one knows the hour then.