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  • 24 mai 2007 16:54
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    I know that original Christianity consisted of several different sects that taught veraious points of view and belief as to Christianity. There is Pauline Christianity, Johannine Christianity, Nazorean- Essene- Jewish Christianity— each represented by certain books in the New Testament— to say nothing of the extracanonical accounts of Jesus' life and teaching, later judged apocryphal or heretical.



    so basically I was wondering if there is anyone here who is researching the ORIGINAL TEACHINGS AND PRACTICES of any of these sects?
  • 24 mai 2007 16:56
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    Davan wrote:

    i already have, and found that it had NO Jewish origins



    read the book called



    The Jesus Mysteries




    Ok then whats the origins?
  • 24 mai 2007 16:57
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    • Anna
    • Fille/32
    • Riverside, California, US
    Broken Angel wrote:

    Essene- Jewish Christianity




    Essenes had nothing to do with Christianity.
  • 24 mai 2007 16:57
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    Anna wrote:



    Broken Angel wrote:

    Essene- Jewish Christianity






    Essenes had nothing to do with Christianity.




    You absolutely sure?
  • 24 mai 2007 16:58
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    • Anna
    • Fille/32
    • Riverside, California, US
    Davan wrote:

    i already have, and found that it had NO Jewish origins



    read the book called



    The Jesus Mysteries








    So where are your Pais?
  • 24 mai 2007 16:58
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    Yes I am....

    Thanks for asking ;-]
  • 24 mai 2007 16:59
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    Anna wrote:



    Davan wrote:

    i already have, and found that it had NO Jewish origins



    read the book called



    The Jesus Mysteries










    So where are your Pais?




    WOW ITS JESUS RETURNED!
  • 24 mai 2007 17:02
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    Davan wrote:



    Broken Angel wrote:



    Davan wrote:

    i already have, and found that it had NO Jewish origins



    read the book called



    The Jesus Mysteries








    Ok then whats the origins?




    the ancient mystery cults......the cult of attis, or mithras, or tammuz, or horus, or dionysis



    many gentile cultures had them



    Horus is closest that i have seen, however, Krishna isn't too far away




    Yeh well I can't deny that .
  • 24 mai 2007 17:38
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    • Slayer
    • Garçon/27
    • Slayerville, , US
    Davan wrote:

    i already have, and found that it had NO Jewish origins



    read the book called



    The Jesus Mysteries




    Actually, while it might be an entertaining read with a few points of interest, do not rely on this book for any type of scholarly research. It makes use of sources which are incredibly outdated and, quite frankly, wrong. Even people who are for the ahistoricity of Jesus dismiss this book for the these reasons and dislike it because it does more harm to the case than it does good.



    If you are interested in early Christian sects, though, I would reccomend anything by Ehrman, especially Misquoting Jesus and Lost Christianities.
  • 24 mai 2007 19:11
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/53
    • DELRAY BEACH, Florida, US
    The term Christian was first used by those against the believers in Yeshua. The ones who followed his teachings were called belevers and followers of the way. Yeshua was a Jew as was 11 of the 12 Luke was converted as a gentile. All the rest were Jews as was the Messiah. The original worship of Messiah was done by Jews and they were called Nazarenes. Christianity pulled away from its Jewish foundation due to several events.. If you want to learn of the truths surronding the Messiah and do away with pagan thoughts. Visit us online at www.arielmessianiccongregation.com
  • 24 mai 2007 19:40
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    My findings indicate that Christianity was a “cover” for Sophist teachings. One piece of evidence that points in this direction is found in Mark 4:10-12:



    Mark 4:10 When he (Jesus) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables.

    11 He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables

    12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"



    Now compare this remark to a remark attributed to Socrates in Plato's Theaetetus:



    "In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples."



    Protagoras reportedly lived in the 5th century BCE and belonged to the philosophic group known as "Sophists". In Protagoras Plato admits that:



    "Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic-masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first-rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur."



    Since Homer and Hesiod produced significant writings associated with Greek Mythology it does not seem at all unreasonable to suspect that the Sophists were involved in the promotion of other myths. Furthermore, Christ’s efforts to hide his true identity (referred to as the “Messianic Mystery”) also fits into the Sophist pattern.



    In his dialogue Sophist, Plato opens with the following remarks:



    Theodorus: Here we are, Socrates, true to our agreement of

    yesterday; and we bring with us a stranger from Elea, who is a

    disciple of Parmenides and Zeno, and a true philosopher.

    Socrates: Is he not rather a god, Theodorus, who comes to us in

    the disguise of a stranger? For Homer says that all the gods, and

    especially the god of strangers, are companions of the meek and

    just, and visit the good and evil among men. And may not your

    companion be one of those higher powers, a cross-examining deity,

    who has come to spy out our weakness in argument, and to cross-examine

    us?

    Theod.: Nay, Socrates, he is not one of the disputatious sort-he is

    too good for that. And, in my opinion, he is not a god at all; but

    divine he certainly is, for this is a title which I should give to all

    philosophers.



    Soc.: Capital, my friend! and I may add that they are almost as

    hard to be discerned as the gods. For the true philosophers, and

    such as are not merely made up for the occasion, appear in various

    forms unrecognized by the ignorance of men, and they "hover about

    cities, " as Homer declares, looking from above upon human life; and

    some think nothing of them, and others can never think enough; and

    sometimes they appear as statesmen, and sometimes as sophists; and

    then, again, to many they seem to be no better than madmen.



    Clearly, the Sophists were still playing their games in Plato’s time and there is absolutely no reason this ancient philosophic group did not continue into the 1st Century and beyond.
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