Since 1960, all Popes have been assassinated (narrow exception being John Paul II)...



"I gave Lucy the Revelation as a temporary secret—as I revealed [the Third Secret] to you on two occasions. Make a concerted effort to bring its entirety to Our children on earth. The hierarchy have not listened to My counsel—thirty-two years lost in indecision and fear of exposure. The Faith is shattered for many." - Our Lady of the Roses, April 29, 1992



“As I told you in the past, Lucifer has been released from hell with many other demons in his legion of demons now loosed upon earth. Lucifer is in Rome and plans to destroy the papacy.” – Our Lady of the Roses, November 20, 1978



In 1946, Sister Lucy was asked when the Third Secret would be revealed to the world, and without hesitation she said, "In 1960." In 1955 Cardinal Ottaviani asked her why it was not to be opened before 1960. She told him, "because then it will seem clearer (mais claro)." Sister Lucy had made the Bishop of Fatima-Leiria promise that the Secret would be read to the world at her death, but in no event later than 1960, "because the blessed Virgin wishes it so." And from Canon Barthas: "Moreover, it [the Third Secret] will soon be known, since Sister Lucy affirms that Our Lady wills that it can be published beginning in 1960." Numerous witness attest to the historical fact that 1960 was the designated date for release. (Read more...) Since 1960, three Popes have been assassinated, with Pope John Paul II almost becoming #4.





POPE JOHN XXIII LAID LOW

Veronica - Now Pope . . . let's see, Pope John! is coming forward. Oh, he looks very, kind of plump. Ahh! Oh, he's very happy. He's dressed all in white with a golden sort of a tassel-type belt about his waist. And he has on a red cape and a very large sort of sun hat, cardinal's hat . . . round, with a very large brim, and there's something hanging from it. I can't see. It looks like gold tassels of some kind. And he's smiling and shaking his head, yes, yes.

I hear a voice that's booming, saying:

Pope John - "The rule has not been followed. The rule has been distorted. Return the House of God to a place of prayer. Return discipline to the House of God.

"I was laid low by the enemies of God." – December 7, 1976



1972

"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI. Lucifer has controlled Rome and continues this control now.

"And I tell you now, My children, unless you pray and make My counsel known to all of the ruling fathers of the Eternal City of Rome, My Son's Church, His House, will be forced into the catacombs. A great struggle lies ahead for mankind. The eventual outcome is for good of all, for this trial in My Son's Church will be a true proving ground for all the faithful. Many latter-day saints shall rise out of the tribulation." - Our Lady, September 7, 1978 1972

"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI. Lucifer has controlled Rome and continues this control now.

"And I tell you now, My children, unless you pray and make My counsel known to all of the ruling fathers of the Eternal City of Rome, My Son's Church, His House, will be forced into the catacombs. A great struggle lies ahead for mankind. The eventual outcome is for good of all, for this trial in My Son's Church will be a true proving ground for all the faithful. Many latter-day saints shall rise out of the tribulation." - Our Lady, September 7, 1978



POPE PAUL DRUGGED

"The appearance in public is not Paul VI; it is the impostor pope. Medication of evil has dulled the brain of the true pope, Pope Paul VI. They send into his veins poison to dull his reasoning and paralyze his legs. What evil creature have you opened the doors to the Eternal City and admitted?" - Our Lady, September 27, 1975



“HE IS NOT ABLE TO DO HIS MISSION”

"My child, I bring to you a sad truth, one that must be made known to mankind .... Our dear beloved Vicar, Pope Paul VI, he suffers much at the hands of those he trusts....

"He is not able to do his mission. They have laid him low, My child. He is ill, he is very ill. Now there is one who is ruling in his place, an impostor, created from the minds of the agents of satan. Plastic surgery, My child--the best of surgeons were used to create this impostor.

"Shout from the rooftops! He must be exposed and removed. Behind him, My child, there are three who have given themselves to satan. You do not receive the truth in your country and the world. Your Vicar is a prisoner....

"Casaroli, you shall condemn your soul to hell! Giovanni Benelli, what road have you taken? You are on the road to hell and damnation! Villot, leader of evil, take yourself from among those traitors; you are not unknown to the Eternal Father." - Our Lady, September 27, 1975







Note the prominent birthmark between the eye and ear of the true Pope (on the left, 1973 photo) and conspicuously absent on the impostor (right, 1977 photo). Notice the visible difference in the nose. Pope Paul has a longer, straighter, more pointed nose. The impostor has a shorter and rounder nose.









Our Lady stated that the best of plastic surgeons were used to create this impostor. The more one examines the photo comparisons above, the clearly it becomes that these are two distinct persons.







Photos are only one type of physical evidence to distinguish identity. Other physical evidence includes fingerprints, voice-prints, medical findings, etc. In his Umsturz im Vatikan? (An Overthrow in the Vatican?), Kolberg presents further evidence for the existence of the impostor pope. Voice recordings of the Latin "Urbi et Urbi" speech of "the Pope" were made on two different occasions. The two recordings were passed through a voice-frequency analyzer made by Kay Elemetrics of Pine Brook, New Jersey. The output Type B/65 sonagram voice prints of the same words pronounced by the "the Pope" on two occasions shows that they were made by two different men.



FORGED DOCUMENTS

"You cannot accept now what comes from Rome, for they do not come--these bulls and these directions are not written by the pen of Pope Paul VI. They are written by the pen of Benelli and Villot." - Our Lady, September 27, 1975



OUR LADY IN FUNERAL ATTIRE

Veronica - Our Lady now is going over to our left side—that’s Her right side of the sky. I don’t see the child any longer, that She was holding; but now She has in Her right hand the Rosary, the beautiful Rosary. She looks very sad, and I tell you, the black mantle She’s wearing makes Her look almost like She’s been to a funeral* or something. Very sad. – August 5, 1978



* Pope Paul VI died the very next day, August 6, 1978.



POPE PAUL “WAS SACRIFICED FOR YOU”

"My children, Our Vicar, your Holy Father upon earth, was sacrificed for you. I cannot describe to you with your limited knowledge of the supernatural, the manner of his sacrifice. Be it enough that I say unto you that in the days ahead there will be many martyrs, there will be many latter-day saints coming out of the conflagration.” – Jesus, August 14, 1978



AS A HOLY POPE ONCE TOLD YOU

“The previous messages about this carnage to the Holy See and the Holy Father has been taken with a manner of laughter. Too late will they laugh and refer to My visitation in New York as being absurd. My child and My children, that is satan. And as a holy Pope once told you before he died, he knew that the smoke of satan had entered into Rome and the Vatican. Well did he understand My visit to him, My child. The world has never known how close I was to your Vicar at that time, Pope Paul VI. Yes, My child, he was removed from the earth, also, with his impostor." – Our Lady, September 14, 1985



A FOUL PLOT AGAINST POPE JOHN PAUL I

Veronica - Our Lady now is pointing up to the left side of the sky, and over on the left side I can see two cardinals. They are walking toward each other. Each has the key, a very large golden key in his hand, like this. Now they’re standing in front of each other, and they’re crossing the keys, like this. Two cardinals. Now they’re pointing now with the keys over to the right of them, and over on the right there is the building, a very large building. It appears to be St. Peter’s. Yes, it’s a domed building. It is St. Peter’s, the Vatican.

Now they’re pointing upward with the keys, high over their heads. And in the sky over the keys I can see the numbers of “666” forming. The letterings are black, tinged in red on the outside, “666.” Now it’s beginning to fade away, the whole scene, as though it’s like blowing, evaporating. It’s completely, almost completely gone now.

Our Lady is motioning now to listen.

Our Lady - “My child, you will understand soon the meaning of this message. You must pray now for your new Vicar. There is a foul plan afoot against him.” – September 13, 1978



LUCIFER WILL MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO DETHRONE POPE JOHN PAUL I

“My child and My children, I am not intending to go through a long discourse with you on the present state of My Church in Rome. Suffice it to say that 666, Lucifer and his agents, will make a concerted effort to dethrone the present Vicar.* In his plan, the plan of Lucifer, he seeks to unite My Church with the world, and this I shall not permit.” – Jesus, September 28, 1978



* Pope John Paul I was found dead the next morning by Sister Vicenza at approximately 4:45 a.m. and was forced to keep silent by the Secretary of State, Cardinal Villot, who imposed a vow of silence upon her (Read more...)







POPE JOHN PAUL I POISONED

“We will go back, My child, in history, a short history, and remember well what had happened in Rome to John, Pope John, whose reign lasted 33 days. O My child, it is history now, but it is placed in the book that lists the disasters in mankind. He received the horror and martyrdom by drinking from a glass. It was a champagne glass given to him by a now deceased member of the clergy and the Secretariat of the State.” - Our Lady, May 21, 1983









ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AGAINST POPE JOHN PAUL II

“My child and My children, because of the gravity of the present time, you must all keep now a constant vigilance of prayer. A direct attack from Lucifer will be attempted against your Vicar…. Pray for your pilgrim Pope. I repeat anew: pray for your pilgrim Pope now, before it is too late! … If they are not successful in carrying forth their plan in the United States, it will be in Rome. That is why, My child, such grief.” – Our Lady, September 28, 1979





















[Note: Antonio Socci's book The Fourth Secret of Fatima is renewing interest in the Third Secret. It is worth noting that Pope Benedict XVI, when he was a cardinal, stated that the Third Secret deals with "dangers threatening the faith and the life of the Christian", and that it is contained in Holy Scripture (Read more...) It is also worth noting that Speckin forensic laboratory analyzed the handwriting attributed to Sister Lucy in the Vatican's June 26, 2000 'third secret' document and came to the conclusion that this document did not represent Sister Lucy's handwriting <myspace>style</myspace> (Read more...) when compared to known handwriting samples of Sister Lucy (Read more...). We also know that the REAL Third Secret mentions the year 1972 (Read more...) and that the Pope referred to in the Third Secret was Pope Paul VI, not Pope John Paul II (Read more...). The significance of Pope Paul VI to the Third Secret is that a group of evil cardinals successfully gained control of his papacy by drugging him and even using an impersonator to Pope Paul in public appearances (Read more...), a fact that was revealed in a formal Church exorcism in Switzerland (Read more...), as well as Theodor Kolberg's book, “Der Betrug des Jahrhunderts” (The Deception of the Century). These evil cardinals--under the seeming appearance of papal approval--imposed unlawful changes on the entire Catholic Church, made statements contrary to immemorial Church tradition, and promoted confusion that has lasted for decades. As a result, the great apostasy has come upon the Church and the world.]





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Pope Benedict XVI's email address: benedictxvi@vatican.va



"My child, they converse of the secret that I gave at Fatima. It is a simple explanation. It could not be fully revealed because of the drastic nature of My message. How I warned and warned that satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in Rome. The Third Secret, My child, is that satan would enter into My Son's Church." - Our Lady of the Roses, May 13, 1978



"My children, long ago I warned you from Fatima, I warned you through many voice-boxes throughout your world that the time will come when you will embark upon a stormy sea, and it shall be bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal, and satan shall set himself in your midst." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 20, 1976



"I counseled you at Fatima, and who gave My counsel to the world? Pride and arrogance anew! A secret was to be revealed, and who counseled and prepared the world for the onslaught of satan into My Son's House? No one!" - Our Lady of the Roses, December 31, 1977



"But, My children, as I said in the past, I repeat again, that satan and his agents, the band of 666, has entered into the highest places of the hierarchy; and therefore he has captured some of Our formerly noble hierarchy to do his bidding." - Our Lady of the Roses, June 1, 1978



The awesome Bayside Prophecies... http://www.tldm.org/Bayside/default.htm

These prophecies came from Jesus, Mary, and the saints to Veronica Lueken at Bayside, NY, from 1968 to 1995:



ENTERING THE HIGHEST PLACES OF THE CHURCH

"As I warned you in the past and you did not listen, unless you prayed more, did more penance, sacrifice, communism would go throughout your world, ravishing nations, destroying your Faith, entering into the highest places of My Son's House. Can you deny what is happening now in your world? Remove the blindness from your eyes and look!" - Our Lady of the Roses, March 18, 1977



SATAN HAS DONE HIS WORK OF FOLLY WELL

"Satan has done his work of folly well. Yes, satan has gone into the highest positions in My House, but he will not triumph. In the final count the victory will be with Us, for he will only proceed as My Father deems." - Jesus, August 15, 1971



MANY HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES TO SATAN

"Do not be misled by the outer clothing of man, for there are many wolves in sheep's clothing, wearing the apparel of rank. Know that many have given themselves to satan.

"Pray, pray much for those who wear the highest mitres, for they, too, have set themselves onto the road to hell. Your prayers and your acts of sacrifice and those who hear My voice, pray much for the Red Hats that have gone onto the wide road." - Our Lady, October 2, 1974



“WHY DID YOU NOT GIVE MY MESSAGE TO THE WORLD AS I GAVE IT TO YOU?”

"I cry to you, My children, that immorality is the gauge, the measuring point for the fall of a nation. Your country, My children, the United States, has fallen to satan. The great eagle has been plucked by sin. Corruption has entered into the highest places of your government and in My Son's Church. I say unto you, and I say this with counsel from high, the Lord high God in Heaven, the Father of all creation, that as you sow so shall you reap!

"My children, why did you avoid giving My counsel to the world? O you of little faith in the high places of My Son's House, His Church, why did you not give My message to the world as I gave it to you? Pride and arrogance! That is why, My children." - Our Lady, December 31, 1977



“DO NOT DESERT MY CHURCH”

"My children, you will all recognize the faces of evil. Satan has entered into the highest ranks of My Church. Pray now for your priests: your bishops, your cardinals, your clergy. Many prayers are needed, for many are on now the road to perdition and taking many others with them.

"My children, do not cast aside your sacramentals. They are your armor in the days ahead. Do not desert My Church. Do not judge it by the man who has stood there in ignorance or in pride and changed it until it will almost be unrecognizable. I am still with you, My children. Do not leave. You must stay and fight. In this manner, My children, shall the sheep be separated from the goats. It is a form of cleansing." - Jesus, July 15, 1977



SATAN AND HIS AGENTS HAVE ENTERED IN FULL BATTLE

"We ask you from Heaven not to leave, not to create a schism from your main body in Rome. You must remain within My Son's Church and pray a constant vigilance of prayer. Satan and his agents have entered in full battle upon My Son's Church. Satan has entered into the highest ranks within My Son's Church and the world. He will manipulate powers, provincials, until he brings about a great chastisement, because man will not listen and mend his ways.” - Our Lady, February 10, 1977



1972

"Satan, Lucifer in human form, entered into Rome in the year 1972. He cut off the rule, the role of the Holy Father, Pope Paul VI." - Our Lady of the Roses, September 7, 1978



INDECISION, FEAR OF EXPOSURE

"I gave Lucy the Revelation as a temporary secret—as I revealed [the Third Secret] to you on two occasions. Make a concerted effort to bring its entirety to Our children on earth. The hierarchy have not listened to My counsel—thirty-two years lost in indecision and fear of exposure. The Faith is shattered for many." - Our Lady of the Roses, April 29, 1992



Directives from Heaven... http://www.tldm.org/directives/directives.htm



D10 - Consecrate Russia PDF

D129 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 1 - 666 in Rome PDF

D130 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 2 - Satan entered the Church in 1972 PDF

D131 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 3 - Satan entered the highest realms of the hierarchy PDF

D132 - THIRD SECRET EXPLAINED: PART 4 - There shall be bishop against bishop and cardinal against cardinal, as satan has set himself in their midst. PDF

D161 - The Great Apostasy PDF

D300 - Satan's war against the Papacy, Part 1

D301 - Satan's war against the Papacy, Part 2





http://www.tldm.org/News10/PopesSince1960.htm

Articles… AND PROOF



Third Secret of Fatima:



Report: Two things weighed on Pope Benedict's conscience while he was a cardinal, one being the mishandling of the June 26, 2000 Vatican document on the 'third secret'

http://www.tldm.org/News10/PopeBenedictTroubledByVaticanDocument On3rdSecret.htm



New Italian book claims Third Fatima Secret still hidden

http://www.tldm.org/News9/NewBookOnThirdSecret.htm



Fr. Alonso, official achivist of Fatima: The REAL Third Secret of Fatima warned of apostasy in the Church

http://www.tldm.org/news7/ThirdSecretFatherAlonso.htm



Third Secret tells of a spiritual chastisement: loss of faith, faltering and punishment of the pastors, diabolical disorientation

http://www.tldm.org/News10/ThirdSecretSpiritualChastisement.htm







Cardinal Oddi on the REAL Third Secret of Fatima: "The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against the apostasy in the Church"

http://www.tldm.org/news7/ThirdSecretCardinalOddi.htm





Cardinal Oddi's hypothesis on the REAL Third Secret: "Let me advance a hypothesis: that the Third Secret of Fatima pre-announces something terrible the Church has done"

http://www.tldm.org/News10/CardinalOddiThirdSecretHypothesis.htm







Sister Lucy talked about the "diabolical disorientation" in the Church as 1972 approached

http://www.tldm.org/news5/1972.htm







Third Secret was to be revealed no later than 1960, "because the Blessed Virgin wishes it so"

http://www.tldm.org/news/in_1960.htm



The approved apparitions of Our Lady of Akita, Japan and the Third Secret

http://www.tldm.org/News10/Akita.htm



The REAL Third Secret of Fatima explains the chaos

http://www.tldm.org/news6/ThirdSecret.htm



Evidence of a fabrication: Sister Lucy's handwriting notably different in document released by Vatican as the "third secret"

http://www.tldm.org/news/lucys_writing.htm





Evidence of a fabrication: The REAL Third Secret of Fatima specifically mentioned the year 1972, as Jacinta revealed to Mother Godinho

http://www.tldm.org/news/StTheresa3rdSecret.htm







Evidence of a fabrication: World-famous forensic expert believes Vatican's released "third secret" is not in Sister Lucy's authentic handwriting

http://www.tldm.org/news/speckin-p2.htm





More evidence of a fabrication: Jacinta's vision of the Holy Father, "the poor little one, " was Pope Paul VI

http://www.tldm.org/news/vision_of_jacinta.htm





Two big blunders of the Fatima experts

http://www.tldm.org/news5/blunders.htm





Third Secret: "Words" of Our Lady, not a vision

http://www.tldm.org/news3/contradictions.htm





Flaws in the "two-document" Third Secret theory

http://www.tldm.org/news5/flaws.htm





Which Third Secret meets the litmus test?

http://www.tldm.org/litmus_test.htm





Fatimagate

http://www.tldm.org/FatimaGate.htm



The Deception of the Century - the Impostor to Pope Paul VI

http://www.tldm.org/News3/impostor.htm





Consecration of Russia:



The REAL Sister Lucy has repeatedly stated that Russia must be consecrated by name

http://www.tldm.org/news7/sisterlucyconsecrationofrussia.htm



Besiege the Pope to consecrate Russia to Our Lady

http://www.tldm.org/News6/consecration4.htm





The “conversion of Russia”: what does it really mean?

http://www.tldm.org/News7/ConversionOfRussia.htm







The meaning of the "consecration" of Russia

http://www.tldm.org/News7/Alonso.htm





Our Lady of the Roses warns: Russia has not been consecrated properly; Pope John Paul II must consecrate Russia, not the world

http://www.tldm.org/News6/consecration3.htm



Pope concerned about persecution of the Catholic Church in Russia

http://www.tldm.org/news6/persecution.htm



Russia's persecution of the Catholic Church back in high gear

http://www.tldm.org/news5/ruse.htm





Sister Lucy:



Sister Lucy was silenced

http://www.tldm.org/news/sister_lucy_silenced.htm





Sister Lucy talked about the "diabolical disorientation" in the Church as 1972 approached

http://www.tldm.org/news5/1972.htm





A forgery to replace the REAL Third Secret; an impersonator to replace the REAL Sister Lucy

http://www.tldm.org/News7/ConspiracyToSilenceSisterLucy.htm





The REAL Sister Lucy has repeatedly stated that Russia must be consecrated by name

http://www.tldm.org/news7/SisterLucyConsecrationOfRussia.htm





Sister Lucy "will bear witness" that Jacinta appeared at Our Lady of the Roses Shrine

http://www.tldm.org/news3/affirm.htm







Vatican-Moscow Treaty:



Rescind the Vatican-Moscow Treaty

http://www.tldm.org/news/treaty.htm





Links...



The truth breaks out in Italy: New book by Antonio Socci contests that Third Secret has been revealed

http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/latest/perspective527.asp

Haha, perhaps Maggie is a crypto-Protestant. ;)



She apparently believes the modern (at least post Vatican II) RC church is corrupt - a corruption which, given this presupposition, plausibly extends to official RC statements concerning which apparitions are genuine and which aren't. In that case, she has to make a "private interpretation" concerning their genuineness on a case-by-case basis. And Catholics sure like to hassle their Protestant brethren about that "private interpretation" thing....

tequilamac wrote:

DECLARATION CONCERNING THE "BAYSIDE MOVEMENT"

November 4, 1986 Letter of Bishop John Mugavero of Brooklyn



In recent months, doubts have been raised by members of the so-called

"Bayside Movement" concerning the official position of the Diocese of

Brooklyn on the alleged "apparitions" of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and

other heavenly beings, to a woman by the name of Vernica Lueken.



Moreover, erroneous claims have been made by a number of followers of Mrs.

Lueken concerning the legitimacy of their position, in order to justify

their activities on behalf of the "Movement." These have taken the form of

statements in their publications that "since Articles 1399 and 2218 of

(the 1917 Code of) Canon Law were abrogated by Pope Paul VI in 1966, no

ecclesiastical permission is required, neither can anyone incure censure,

for the publication or dissemination of information dealing with

revelations, visions or miracles, provided these do not endanger Faith or

morals."



As a result of the above-mentioned doubts and claims, a number of Christ's

faithful continue to attend the regularly-scheduled "vigils" held at

Flushing Meadow Park, and to disseminate or receive propaganda literature

on this matter.



I, the undersigned Diocesan Bishop of Brooklyn, in my role as the

legitimate shepherd of this particular Church, wish to confirm the

constant position of the Diocese of Brooklyn that a thorough investigation

revealed that the alleged "visions of Bayside" completely lacked

authenticity.



Moreover, in view of the confusion created by published reports of

messages and other literature by this "Movement, " I consider it my

obligation to offer Christ's faithful pastoral guidance, lest their faith

be endangered by "messages" and "teachings" relayed by "visionaries, "

which are contrary to the Faith of our Catholic Church.



Therefore, in consultation with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the

Faith, I hereby declare that:



1. No credibility can be given to the so-called "apparitions" reported by

Veronica Lueken and her followers.



2. The "messages" and other related propaganda contain statements which,

among other things, are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church,

undermine the legitimate authority of bishops and councils and instill

doubts in the minds of the faithful, for example, by claiming that, for

years, an "imposter (sic) Pope" governed the Catholic Church in place of

Paul VI.



3. Those who persistently maintain that "no ecclesiastical permission is

required for the publication or dissemination" of information concerning

"revelations, visions or miracles, " are erroneously interpreting the

directives of the Holy See when they attempt to justify the publication of

the propaganda literature on the "Bayside Messages."



In view of my declaration concerning the authenticity of the "visions of

Bayside, " the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has confirmed

that the principles governing the publication of such religious material

still maintain authoritative moral value prohibiting the endangering of

faith and good morals (Cf. Response of SCDF of June 14, 1966, in AAS 58,

1186).



As a result, those publishing or disseminating this propaganda literature

are acting against the judgment of legitimate Church authority.



4. Because of my concern for their spiritual welfare, members of Christ's

faithful are hereby directed to refrain from participating in the "vigils"

and from disseminating any propaganda related to the "Bayside

apparitions." They are also discouraged from reading any such literature.



5. Anyone promoting this devotion in any way, be it by participating in

the "vigils, " organizing pilgrimages, publishing or disseminating the

literature related to it, is contributing to the confusion which is being

created in the faith of God's people, as well as encouraging them to act

against the determinations made by the legitimate pastor of this

particular Church (c.212, para. 1).



It remains my constant hope that all the faithful spend their time and

energies in promoting devotion to our Blessed Lady, in the many forms

which have been approved by the Catholic Church.



(Signed):



Bishop John Mugavero

Bishop of Brooklyn





This document was taken from "Cults, Sects, and the New Age, " by

Rev. James J. LeBar, available from Our Sunday Visitor Press,

200 Noll Plaza, Huntington, IN 46750.





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Also did you know the Bishop John Mugavero

Bishop of Brooklyn pass away straight after denying Bayside and Our Lady of The Roses. Go and check and see for yourself. He is not alive he's dead.

Theognostus wrote:

Haha, perhaps Maggie is a crypto-Protestant. ;)



She apparently believes the modern (at least post Vatican II) RC church is corrupt - a corruption which, given this presupposition, plausibly extends to official RC statements concerning which apparitions are genuine and which aren't. In that case, she has to make a "private interpretation" concerning their genuineness on a case-by-case basis. And Catholics sure like to hassle their Protestant brethren about that "private interpretation" thing....

Don't insult us Protestants with that bullshit, she is in her own class. You made the monster you deal with it - she is unquestionably catholic to everyone.

Reid wrote:

Theognostus wrote:

Haha, perhaps Maggie is a crypto-Protestant. ;)



She apparently believes the modern (at least post Vatican II) RC church is corrupt - a corruption which, given this presupposition, plausibly extends to official RC statements concerning which apparitions are genuine and which aren't. In that case, she has to make a "private interpretation" concerning their genuineness on a case-by-case basis. And Catholics sure like to hassle their Protestant brethren about that "private interpretation" thing....

Don't insult us Protestants with that bullshit, she is in her own class. You made the monster you deal with it - she is unquestionably catholic to everyone.

I was half-joking there - and pointing out that even our Cathodox friends aren't free from "private interpretation", despite what they claim. I wasn't insulting anybody, just turning a commonly used argument by our Cathodox friends on its head. :)