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  • 10 mai 2007 09:23
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/30
    • Overland Park, Kansas, US
    (May 2, 2007) – From all accounts, Josh Hancock was one of those really likeable guys for reasons that stretched well beyond the fact that he wore a St. Louis Cardinals jersey.



    The reaction since his untimely death last Sunday illustrated he meant a great deal to those who knew him and fans who didn’t. Current and former teammates expressed the loss of a good friend. Others who never met him grieved publicly as well.



    Whether or not you knew him, why feel sorry?



    Eyewitness accounts say Hancock drank. He drove. He lost.



    Instead, how about feeling relief that he didn’t take out a family of four or the driver of the tow truck he smashed?



    Or, how about outrage at the St. Louis Cardinals for their second alcohol-related driving mishap in less than three months; this one following Manager Tony LaRussa’s embarrassing nap he took after dinner - at a stop light with his foot still on the brake - during Spring Training?



    Or, even more outrage at Cardinals General Manager Walt Jocketty for taking the noble high ground by saying, according to the St. Louis Dispatch, "Do I know guys like to drink and party? Yes, mostly from what I understand, on the road when they're not driving."



    Thank you, Walt; I feel much safer driving through St. Louis already.



    Obviously, this is not a problem special to the Cardinals.



    In 2005, former Nebraska and current Ohio football head coach Frank Solich was found passed out over the wheel of his truck, which happened to be facing the wrong way on a one-way street.



    At the time, the nation smirked and moved on, and that was before Solich appealed (and was denied), claiming he was slipped Sebastian Janikowski’s favorite party favor - gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), a date-rape drug.



    In 2006, Cincinnati Bengals player Deltha O’Neal was cited for DWI after being caught in a checkpoint. Had it not been for the Bengals’ season-long problem with the law, O’Neal’s run-in may have gone unnoticed.



    Then you have Leonard Little, the poster child whose name is inevitably thrown into the mix every time a story involving a drinking athlete surfaces.



    Little did nothing different than any of those others, except he left Mike Gutweiler without his mom and Bill Gutweiler without his wife in 1998 after driving with a blood-alcohol content nearly twice the legal limit and killing Susan in an auto accident.



    The point is not to vilify Little. That’s already happened, and rightfully so, since he apparently didn’t learn from that one and got a second offense in 2004.



    But, what if Little had only been involved in a fender-bender, or did like Hancock last week and only killed himself?



    Had he died instead of Susan, would Little have endured a bit of humiliation, only to have it engulfed by a swell of support in remembrance from teammates and fans?



    Is the line between public support and public rage in these instances really only as trivial as whose body is placed on a gurney?



    Perhaps it is since humans have a way of using death as a scapegoat in preventable tragedy, eulogizing a person’s greatness until whatever underlying, bigger issue is conveniently forgotten.



    According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the fight against alcohol-related fatalities has reached a plateau. Since hitting a low total of 16,572 in 1999, the numbers from 2000-05 were higher in every other year since.



    Instead of sweeping Josh’s death under the rug with flippant comments that players must police themselves, perhaps Jocketty, the Cardinals, Major League Baseball, professional sports, you and I should make efforts to come down off the plateau instead of sitting idly on top and crying over those who no longer can do anything about it.
  • 10 mai 2007 10:27
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    this isn't just a problem with athletes, it's a problem with normal people. if you can't drink responsibly, then don't drink.
  • 10 mai 2007 11:03
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/30
    • Overland Park, Kansas, US
    The hard part with that is centuries worth of social history saying it's perfectly okay to get hammered and then come what may.



    It's going to take a long, long time, if ever, for that attitude to change.
  • 10 mai 2007 11:13
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    • APB
    • Garçon/30
    • H-TOWN, , US
    Curtis wrote:



    Whether or not you knew him, why feel sorry?









    I don't.



    At least give credit to whomever you swiped the article from...
  • 10 mai 2007 11:25
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/30
    • Overland Park, Kansas, US
    I wrote it. Giving credit to myself would be a bit redundant don't you think?
  • 10 mai 2007 13:19
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    Curtis wrote:

    The hard part with that is centuries worth of social history saying it's perfectly okay to get hammered and then come what may.



    It's going to take a long, long time, if ever, for that attitude to change.




    agreed... people drink and drive all the time though, and i like the fact that rich people and celebrities are now subjected to the same punishments as everyone else.
  • 10 mai 2007 13:41
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/30
    • Overland Park, Kansas, US
    Well, they're getting closer anyways in terms of doling out the same penalties. Problem is, it seems like as more and more public figures get caught, it has the reverse effect in that the general public thinks its even MORE okay to do the same because they see more of their heroes doing it....



    Sort of weird...
  • 10 mai 2007 13:53
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    Curtis wrote:

    Well, they're getting closer anyways in terms of doling out the same penalties. Problem is, it seems like as more and more public figures get caught, it has the reverse effect in that the general public thinks its even MORE okay to do the same because they see more of their heroes doing it....



    Sort of weird...




    well, i don't really agree with it... take hilton for example... most people are really happy that she's going to jail.
  • 10 mai 2007 13:56
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/30
    • Overland Park, Kansas, US
    I agree with that example....but I think it has more to do with her entire body of work (in terms of being out-of-control) and less with the alcohol portion alone.



    She's already put forth an appeal from what I've read, so it'll be interesting to see if she actually does do the time as opposed to house arrest or parole or something.



    Has that been updated? Did her appeal get denied?
  • 10 mai 2007 13:58
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    Curtis wrote:

    I agree with that example....but I think it has more to do with her entire body of work (in terms of being out-of-control) and less with the alcohol portion alone.



    She's already put forth an appeal from what I've read, so it'll be interesting to see if she actually does do the time as opposed to house arrest or parole or something.



    Has that been updated? Did her appeal get denied?




    couldn't tell ya dude... the only reason i know anything about it is my girl was telling me she's going to jail, and i've heard some people around the office talking about it.
  • 10 mai 2007 13:59
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    • Curtis
    • Garçon/30
    • Overland Park, Kansas, US
    yeah, I admit all my info is second and third hand also....I'm not on Paris watch....
  • 10 mai 2007 14:23
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    • Ron
    • Garçon/36
    • TROUTMAN, NORTH CAROLINA, US
    Curtis wrote:



    Whether or not you knew him, why feel sorry?









    I agree. I do not feel one bit sorry for Hancock. He is a turd and so is Little, so is Dany Heatley, and so are David Wesley and Bobby Phills.



    Hey...if you are an ignorant piece of shit that wants to waste your money on stupid shit and get drunk or high because you think it is cool then you are a dumbass.



    Go figure.
  • 10 mai 2007 14:34
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    Curtis wrote:

    The hard part with that is centuries worth of social history saying it's perfectly okay to get hammered and then come what may.



    It's going to take a long, long time, if ever, for that attitude to change.




    I dont see the problem.



    Have a beer and stfu
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