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  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:11 PM
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    Question: is the Islamic Prophet Mohammad, who many Muslims consider the “Perfect Man for all time”, and a role model for all time, and the greatest person to have ever lived, a good ROLE MODEL for kids today? Please discuss.







    He undoubtedly did many many good things. Here is a just SMALL, partial list of good verses in the Islamic texts:

    * Encouraging people to give to charity (Koran chapter 2.271), (98.005), (58.013), (4.114). (22.041), (7.156), (2.117).

    * Be patient (2.045), (25.075).

    * Be peaceful (4.114), (36.058), (2.224).

    * Pray (2.045), (22.041), (2.177).

    * Love (42.023).

    * Be fair and just (49.009), (5.008).







    However, his critics (see list and links below) also feel he did many bad things. (If you disagree with those critics, please don’t bash me or the critics, but instead, say exactly how you feel the information in the links is wrong….thanks!)



    * Had sex with a 9 year old girl, when he was 53 (Ahadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236). Video of British clerics approving of this: (Link).



    * Raped captive women (Koran 33:50).



    * Sold these victims into slavery after rape.



    * Killer of 600+ captives in one day alone - Banu Qurayza (Koran chapter 33:26).



    * A criminal, who by today’s standards committed thousands of crimes.



    * Said women are deficient intellectually and spiritually (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301).



    * Kill someone who leaves Islam (Koran chapter 4:89-90 justifies killing).



    * Said hitting women is often necessary (Koran chapter 4:34). Videos of Islamic clerics approving of wife beating: Video #1, Video #2.



    * Murdered non-believers who would not submit to slave-like “Dhimmi” status to him (Koran chapter 9:5 and 9:29).



    * Taught his followers to murder non-believers who will not submit to slave-like “Dhimmi” status to Islamic Sharia law (Koran chapter 9:5 and 9:29).



    * He was illiterate and uneducated (Link).



    * Following his example (Koran chapter 9:5 and 9:29), his followers have committed over 7000 Islamic terror attacks since 9/11/01. Here’s The List. This is NINE TIMES as much as all other religions COMBINED, yet there are four times as many non-Muslims as Muslims in the world.



    * …..this means his followers today are 3500% more likely, per capita, to commit terrorists acts than other people (Link #1), (3500% explained).



    * Most of his followers have a favorable opinion of the worlds #1 terrorist - Bin Laden (Pew Poll).



    * Following his lead, his followers are involved in almost all (22 of 26) of the recent religious wars in the world (Link). This means Islam, per capita, is 2100% more likely to be involved in a religious war than the average religion.



    * Was a terrorist (Bukhari 52:220, and Quran 8:12).



    * More terrorists are named after him (“Mohammad”) than any other name/person in world history.



    * Was a torturer. Mohammad drove nails into and gouged out the eyes of people from the ‘Urayna Tribe. He also cut off their opposite legs and arms, and left them to die (Link), also Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515.



    * Robbed the caravans of innocent people. Engaged in offensive warfare (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 429).



    * Raped and ransomed captives (Link).



    * Incredibly, said a woman’s testimony is only worth half of a man’s in court (Koran chapter 2:282).



    * Said a woman should only inherit half as much as a man (Koran 4:11).



    * Converted people “by the sword” (Koran chapter 9:5 and 9:29).



    * He had people who had sex outside of marriage stoned to death (Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413). Some Muslim countries do this even today (Video of stonings).



    * Hated gays (Koran, chapter 7:80 to 7:84). Followers today (Iran & Saudi Arabia) execute people for homosexual activity (Link).



    * He plundered booty from war captives (Koran chapter 8:1 and 8:41).



    * Divided the world up into (a) Dar al Salaam (Land of "peace"...or the part of the world ruled by Islamic law), and (b) Dar Al Harb (Land of war...or the part of the world NOT ruled by Islamic law….yet.) (Link).



    * He said you’ll probably go to hell if you simply draw pictures (Bukhari Vol. 7, Book 72, Nos. 836-846).



    * ….embassies were burned, and 50 people died when his followers reacted to cartoons of Mohammad in 2006 (BBC article).



    * ….fifteen people died during Muslim riots after hearing about a Koran being flushed down a toilet (Washington Post article).



    * Owned, and approved of owning, slaves - male, female, black, Jewish, Christian, and Arabs (Koran chapter 4:92), and (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 10, Number 530).



    * He had people assassinated who made fun of him. One was an incredibly old man, and one was a female poet, who was tortured to death in front of her children (Link).



    * The Jews of Khayber: he slaughtered some, and enslaved others.



    * The Jews of Medinah: expulsion and massacre.



    * If your parents and friends aren’t Muslims, then dis-own them (Koran 9:23).



    * He cut off the hands of thieves - men and women (Koran 5:38).



    * He said to kill Jews (Hadith Sahih Muslim, 41:6985).



    * Discriminated against non-Muslims, forcing them into slave-like status. Even required them to pay a special tax – the “jizya” (Koran 9:29).



    * Said women are the majority of people in hell (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 28).



    * He said to not take Jews or Christians as friends (Koran 5:51).



    * Told his followers to lie (“taqiyya”).



    * Amongst his last dying words were "May Allah curse Jews and Christians" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 427).



    * Women who commit lewdness: sentence them to in-home confinement for the rest of their life (Koran 4:15).



    * Was dishonorable….he signed treaties, with the intent of breaking them later (“hunda”).



    * He was bigoted, and a supremacist (Koran chapter 3:19).



    * One of the few prophets to NOT follow, and preach, the Golden Rule….kill infidels, etc. (Link).



    * Had sex with his own daughter in law (Link).



    * Said Jews are apes and pigs. This is taught to children in British Islamic schools (video).



    * Called black people “raisin heads” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 256, and Bukhari Volume 1, Book 11, Number 662).



    * Women can’t be Muslim clerics. He felt women were inferior to men…so it this the reason (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301)?



    * A man gets 72 virgins in paradise, but a women doesn’t.



    * Women can not be judges (Bukhari 13/53).







    ** SOME CRITICS BELIEVE MOHAMMAD “JUST MADE IT ALL UP” (TO INCREASE HIS OWN SEXUAL, POLITICAL, AND ECONOMIC POWER) BECAUSE: **



    * When challenged to perform miracles to prove his revelations, he could not (Koran 17:90-93).



    * The Koran didn’t introduce any new scientific revelations.



    * Some critics argue his "revelations" just came from epileptic fits, not from an angel (Link).



    * Believed the earth was flat (god would have known better), like most people of his day did (Link).



    * Believed sperm is generated in the backbone ( Koran 86:6-7). This idea was proposed by Greek scientists before Mohammad’s time, and Mohammad allegedly copied it (Link).



    * Critics argue that Mohammad changed his mind about something that God allegedly told him, so Mohammad conveniently said that SATAN had been the one who told him the now wrong verses - the “Satanic Verses” (Link).



    * “The sun sets in a muddy spring” ( Koran 18:86).



    * God talked a lot to Mohammad (through Gabriel,) about many many things, but why did God never say “oh, by the way, stop slavery”?



    * Critics argue: “Why would god pick one 40 year old, illiterate, uneducated, salesman to give the most vital messages of all time to? Why not pick an educated statesman?” (Link).



    * Some critics believe that it’s not coincidence that Mohammad was a salesman (his sales abilities helped him to sell people on the idea that an angel had visited him, even though he could perform no miracles to prove it?)



    * Mohammad came after the other prophets, and some critics believe that Mohammad largely piggy-backed on the existing story of the Bible, and the credibility of the Bible, to get people to believe him.







    ** MOHAMMAD MADE MANY SPECIAL RULES FOR HIMSELF: **



    * Said a man can have 4 wives, but a woman only 1 husband. But the Koran conveniently exempted MOHAMMAD from this limit….Mohammad had 12 wives, and many mistresses (Link).



    * Said HIS widows couldn’t re-marry after his death - critics argue to keep people from killing him and taking his wives ( Koran 33:53)?



    * Actually ordered Muslims to give some of the booty they plunder to him (Koran 8.41).
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:14 PM
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    wow, thats objective.
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:18 PM
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    DDD wrote:

    Question: is the Islamic Prophet Mohammad, who many Muslims consider the Perfect Man for all time”, and a role model for all time, and the greatest person to have ever lived, a good ROLE MODEL for kids today? Please discuss.







    And old crazy guy who turned out to be epeleptic, sex maniac, megalomanic, a liar , murderer, and a thief. NO wonder Islam is a psychotic religion.
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:21 PM
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    Aaron wrote:

    let me guess........you are



    christian?




    Athiest, actually.



    But how does that effect, in ANY way, what Mohammad did or did not do, and his status as a role model or not?



    Please discuss.
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:21 PM
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    • Iceberg
    • M/47
    • A geometric point, , TR
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:27 PM
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    treading h2o wrote:

    wow, thats objective.




    Apparently you're being sarcastic (I assume)?



    If you ARE being sarcastic, then how many GOOD things would I have had to list that he did to OVERCOME rape, pedophelia, murder, torture, discrimination, bigotry, sex with daughter-in-law, dislike of women, slavery, wife-beating, supremacism, terrorism, ransom, brutality, thievery, genocide, dis-honor, lying, etc., etc.? In other words, would you not argue that he's simply NOT a role-model...period?



    Just wondrin'.



    Comments?
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:30 PM
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    Iceberg wrote:

    Muhammad in the Bible




    Thanks for you feedback.



    In a nutshell, can you please sum up what you're implying by your post. Thanks.
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:32 PM
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    • Iceberg
    • M/47
    • A geometric point, , TR
    DDD wrote:



    Iceberg wrote:

    Muhammad in the Bible






    Thanks for you feedback.



    In a nutshell, can you please sum up what you're implying by your post. Thanks.




    In a nutshell, since you are an atheist, why bother at all, either way?
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:32 PM
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    • Shenoa
    • F/47
    • 15.3% UNEMPLOYED in (D) Jennifer Granholm's, Michigan, US
    Iceberg wrote:

    Muhammad in the Bible




    The Truth About Muhammad



    http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/d p/1596980281/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7054347-4619002?ie=UTF8&s=books& qid=1177968647&sr=8-1
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:33 PM
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    • Iceberg
    • M/47
    • A geometric point, , TR
    Shenoa wrote:



    Iceberg wrote:

    Muhammad in the Bible






    The Truth About Muhammad



    http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/d p/1596980281/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7054347-4619002?ie=UTF8&s=books& qid=1177968647&sr=8-1




    My link beats yours, hands down.
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:34 PM
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    Shenoa wrote:



    Iceberg wrote:

    Muhammad in the Bible






    The Truth About Muhammad



    http://www.amazon.com/Truth-About-Muhammad-Intolerant-Religion/d p/1596980281/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7054347-4619002?ie=UTF8&s=books& qid=1177968647&sr=8-1




    His book is banned in Pakistan....I can't imagine why, since his sources are the Islamic Texts themselves. Maybe Muslims don't want the truth to get out?



    (I'm not against Muslims, but I do question their belief-system.)
  • Monday, April 30, 2007 2:35 PM
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    DDD wrote:



    treading h2o wrote:

    wow, thats objective.






    Apparently you're being sarcastic (I assume)?



    If you ARE being sarcastic, then how many GOOD things would I have had to list that he did to OVERCOME rape, pedophelia, murder, torture, discrimination, bigotry, sex with daughter-in-law, dislike of women, slavery, wife-beating, supremacism, terrorism, ransom, brutality, thievery, genocide, dis-honor, lying, etc., etc.? In other words, would you not argue that he's simply NOT a role-model...period?



    Just wondrin'.



    Comments?




    the problem with your assessment is that it's not factual. much of how we perceive islam today is a result of 16th-17th century european theologians.



    im not saying that muslims are not guilty of reciprocating misinformation about christianity and judaism to their followers, but the accusations of discrimination dishonor lying pedophilia can be traced back to religious seminaries.
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