The Future Mrs. Thomas Moore II wrote:

I have been thinking, what is the difference between premarital sex and homosexuality? A Pastor I look up to said this:



"So big shocker. I think there is a sinful element to homosexuality. Why a sinful element instead of homosexuality is a sin? Because you guys have taught me something. While I have a theology, I don't have it all figured out. Where does it cross the line into sin? Just not a "paint by picture" outline for me. I see nothing that says attraction is a sin. That temptation is a sin. But that same gender sex is. Can you love someone of the same sex, live together for life, and not have sex thus not sinning. Maybe. I just don't have all the details figured out."..:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />



I sure don't got it figure out and I am NOT saying I am encouraging people to be homosexuals!!! I am NOT even encouraging people to have sex before they are married. The funny thing is people expect a man and a woman who are attracted to one another to have sex. I am engaged and people figure we have had sex or are going to before we get married. So society is putting a label on us before we even committed the act! Just like a friend of mine. Growing up people kept telling him he was "gay" and would tease him. Yet as far as I know, which I was VERY close to this guy, he was NOT acting on it. I can't say if he was having thoughts, but people were labeling him as a homosexual before he even was. Now he openly lives the homosexual life<myspace>style</myspace>. Just think for a minute, same sex or man and woman having sex before marriage is a sin either way. The Bible CLEARLY states that God commands us not to take part in either one (this applying to people who live by the Bible and believe it is the Word, the Truth, and the Light). Yet we say homosexuals are not welcome in our churches and are casted out of society. We treat them like they have a disease!!! Yet it is ok to have sex before you are married. You are allowed in the churches, in leadership, and it is a way into the "in crowd." Virgins are the ones who are weird and are down graded. I applaud all those girls, boys, men, and women who waited till their wedding night to have sex. Another thing that is common in today's society is committing to not having sex, but doing everything up to that point. No one as clearly told me if that is sexual immorality or is that just like flirting with intentions to have sex??? Anyways, so the Bible doesn't clearly say don't have oral sex, etc. So people usually take part in it and think I can hold out till marriage since I have this.



I believe people are born with sin, I believe God created sex to be between a man and a woman who are married to one another and that is the ONLY way to have sex, I don't believe in homosexual marriages are ok, I don't believe a man and a man or a woman and a woman are to become romantically involved with one another, I don't agree that having sex before you are married is ok, I believe God's way is the only way we are to live, period.



Question: Can a homosexual be a Christian because Christian means striving to be Christ like? Can they go to Heaven? What about a person who has fallen and is having sex with a member of the opposite sex that they are committed to?

sin is an abstract illusonary concept. go with ethics, they make more sense.



premarital sex is a good thing. it keeps horny teenagers from running off and getting married at a younge age. every one of my freinds who are mormon wher married at around the age of 21. and people wonder why the divorce rate is up.


homosexuality is also a good thing. it keeps (or rather attempts) to keep the population under control.

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

The Future Mrs. Thomas Moore II wrote:

Question: Can a homosexual be a Christian because Christian means striving to be Christ like? Can they go to Heaven?

Jesus was a virgin, so can anyone who has sex, requardless of who with go to heaven, because having sex isn't christ like.

The Future Mrs. Thomas Moore II wrote:

What about a person who has fallen and is having sex with a member of the opposite sex that they are committed to?

Does it really matter who people sleep with? Homosexuality is natural, as much as fundies would say it's not. Many animal species partake in homosexual acts, therefore it's natural because it appears in nature. And that is not advocating acting like an animal, it's just an statement of fact.

We will never be Christ like, but we should try.



About this whole animal thing-

If Chocolate milk and my Saint Bernard were about to be hit by a train, and I had the chance to save either or, which would I choose?

Keep in mind I've never met Chocolate Milk. I've spent thousands of dollars on my dog. She sleeps in my house. She wags her tail, licks my face, and I pick up her poop. I have a "relationship" with my dog, but not Mr. Milk.

You see, could you imagine my face plastered on CNN.."He chose the Dog!"

I can't imagine it either. WHY?

Because Chocolate Milk is a HUMAN BEING

BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME.



So, really, you only cheapen your own lives by comparing it to animals.

Mike wrote:

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

The Future Mrs. Thomas Moore II wrote:

Question: Can a homosexual be a Christian because Christian means striving to be Christ like? Can they go to Heaven?

Jesus was a virgin, so can anyone who has sex, requardless of who with go to heaven, because having sex isn't christ like.

The Future Mrs. Thomas Moore II wrote:

What about a person who has fallen and is having sex with a member of the opposite sex that they are committed to?

Does it really matter who people sleep with? Homosexuality is natural, as much as fundies would say it's not. Many animal species partake in homosexual acts, therefore it's natural because it appears in nature. And that is not advocating acting like an animal, it's just an statement of fact.

We will never be Christ like, but we should try.



About this whole animal thing-

If Chocolate milk and my Saint Bernard were about to be hit by a train, and I had the chance to save either or, which would I choose?

Keep in mind I've never met Chocolate Milk. I've spent thousands of dollars on my dog. She sleeps in my house. She wags her tail, licks my face, and I pick up her poop. I have a "relationship" with my dog, but not Mr. Milk.

You see, could you imagine my face plastered on CNN.."He chose the Dog!"

I can't imagine it either. WHY?

Because Chocolate Milk is a HUMAN BEING

BIG DIFFERENCE TO ME.



So, really, you only cheapen your own lives by comparing it to animals.

thats only because your taught to think you better than other animals.



comparing the two doesn't cheapen human life, it simply cheapens animal life.



in the grand schema of things were all equal

The Future Mrs. Thomas Moore II wrote:





Question: Can a homosexual be a Christian because Christian means striving to be Christ like? Can they go to Heaven? What about a person who has fallen and is having sex with a member of the opposite sex that they are committed to?

anyone can accept Christ. Salvation is a gift. vices are vices. we all sin. none are worthy. by the same devine grace, we are saved. in this world, we are all tempted by the flesh we live within. we should all embrace the spirit and abstain from the pleasures of this world. we are part flesh, weak and prone to sin. that flesh clings to this world, wether we want it to or not. churches should embrace all who try to seek Him, regardless of the means of their sinful indulgences. as we grow stronger in Spirit, we gain the strength to resist the temptations we are subjected to. sin is sin. grace is grace. the answer to your question is simple. yes.

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

Mike wrote:

So, really, you only cheapen your own lives by comparing it to animals.

Newsflash: We are animals. Part of the mammal and primate familes.

So you would save your dog(if you happen to have one) over someone else's life?

Mike wrote:

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

Mike wrote:

So, really, you only cheapen your own lives by comparing it to animals.

Newsflash: We are animals. Part of the mammal and primate familes.

So you would save your dog(if you happen to have one) over someone else's life?

on gut instinct you would automatically go for the one your brain tells you is more important to you.



so the thing you know and love would be the most likely choice

?

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

Jesus was a virgin

That's impossible to know for sure.

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

You do know what a strawman is? Don't you?

Candyman... that was a great movie.

But no, not Strawman

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

Mike wrote:

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

You do know what a strawman is? Don't you?

Candyman... that was a great movie.

But no, not Strawman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.



Please tell me where my misrepresentation occurred.

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

Mike wrote:

Please tell me where my misrepresentation occurred.

That because I acknowledge we are animals, that I would choose to save a dog over a human.

And you are a vegitarian, right?

Where did the idea that non-marital sex is okay within the church come from? Hypocritical behavior does not equal actual endorsement.



JMS

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

No. Why would I be a vegetarian?

Cannibal then?

I'm having a hard time figuring out how you eat those that you consider your equal

I Like Chocolate Milk wrote:

Mike wrote:

Cannibal then?

I'm having a hard time figuring out how you eat those that you consider your equal

I said I acknowledge I was essentially an animal. I didn't say I was an equal.

And the qualities of the dog's life that you deem more valuable than a human's life are what?