Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Unconditional love refers to, that no matter what you go through you will always love each other... Its possible, there are some people that Don't get divorced or have fights... very few but some...

Kenji the Ronin Philosopher wrote:

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Unconditional love refers to, that no matter what you go through you will always love each other... Its possible, there are some people that Don't get divorced or have fights... very few but some...

But isn't that still based on some type of condition, mutal respect, friendship, children, money, etc. They might stay together, but does that mean they love each other?! I believe that there's a difference between the ideas of uncontional love and simple acceptance.

Cyphi wrote:

Kenji the Ronin Philosopher wrote:

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Unconditional love refers to, that no matter what you go through you will always love each other... Its possible, there are some people that Don't get divorced or have fights... very few but some...

But isn't that still based on some type of condition, mutal respect, friendship, children, money, etc. They might stay together, but does that mean they love each other?! I believe that there's a difference between the ideas of uncontional love and simple acceptance.

Have you ever been in love? besides they say they still love each other even when the say something to upset the other... they'll say they love eachother no matter what. honestly i don't know if a human can love another unconditionally, But i have seen some examples of it existing...

Not to be rude but...you can't say that you saw someone else feeling something....that's impossible. I've been in love, but there were conditions involved...intrigue, a desire to protect, lust and hope that it lasts.



Any reasoning that you can give to love something or someone is based on a condition. To say you love someone or something just because is: unconditional...I don't think that's possible.

love is a emotion which means it can be clicked on or off if one choose to ... the concept of love is simply the measure of tolerance you have for something...and this means that love is conditional

c wrote:

love is a emotion which means it can be clicked on or off if one choose to ... the concept of love is simply the measure of tolerance you have for something...and this means that love is conditional

exactly

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Love is complete trust. Trust is unconditional, otherwise it's just a contract.

Cyphi wrote:

Kenji the Ronin Philosopher wrote:

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Unconditional love refers to, that no matter what you go through you will always love each other... Its possible, there are some people that Don't get divorced or have fights... very few but some...

But isn't that still based on some type of condition, mutal respect, friendship, children, money, etc. They might stay together, but does that mean they love each other?! I believe that there's a difference between the ideas of uncontional love and simple acceptance.

Friendship isn't a condition of love - it is love. Marriage is a contract - it and divorce have nothing to do with love other than to try and turn it into mutual ownership. Unfortunately, ownership and trust are not very compatible.

c wrote:

love is a emotion which means it can be clicked on or off if one choose to ... the concept of love is simply the measure of tolerance you have for something...and this means that love is conditional

Love is not an emotion. Love is trust. Joy is usually the emotion we attach to love.

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Unconditional love is quite rare today but it is possible. To love unconditionally one must remove the emotional attachment that puts conditions upon that love and just let the spiritual side of oneself experience the freedom of love.



Sandi

Hippie Nation wrote:

Cyphi wrote:

Kenji the Ronin Philosopher wrote:

Cyphi wrote:

Everything we experience is based on conditions right?! If you disagree please explain.

Unconditional love refers to, that no matter what you go through you will always love each other... Its possible, there are some people that Don't get divorced or have fights... very few but some...

But isn't that still based on some type of condition, mutal respect, friendship, children, money, etc. They might stay together, but does that mean they love each other?! I believe that there's a difference between the ideas of uncontional love and simple acceptance.

Friendship isn't a condition of love - it is love. Marriage is a contract - it and divorce have nothing to do with love other than to try and turn it into mutual ownership. Unfortunately, ownership and trust are not very compatible.

Friendship or the illusion of friendship as it were, could be the reason why people remain involved with each other throughout painful situations. Friendship is not a condition for love, but there are always conditions for friendship which bring us to the same conclusion. The basis of the friendship/love and even trust are based on conditions. Whether they be based common interests, respect, physical proximity or physical attraction...they are all based on conditions.



Marriage and relationships in general are based on trust. Is the concept of trust not based on reasoning and conditions. If someone really gives you a reason not to trust them...will you trust them still. How long will you "tolerate" a lover or friend who does not to conform to your ideas of love/friendship. Not for as long as you live I bet. The ideal of unconditional love is unrealistic.

Cyphi wrote:

Marriage and relationships in general are based on trust. Is the concept of trust not based on reasoning and conditions.

No, not when you realize that it's actually trust of yourself that is the basis. Why do we fear a spouse's cheating? It's because we fear they will leave, that we are unloveable, that perhaps we own that spouse's body and therefore s/he is not allowed to express physical love with anyone else. . . .These are things that are based on our own imperfections not our spouse's. If we truly trust ourselves to be OK no matter what our loved one chooses to do then we're more likely to give them unconditional love.

. How long will you "tolerate" a lover or friend who does not to conform to your ideas of love/friendship. Not for as long as you live I bet. The ideal of unconditional love is unrealistic.

Forevever since I don't ask anyone to conform to me. I'm not any more special than my friends and have absolutely no right to ask them to conform to me. Nor, do they ask me to conform to them. That's ownership. . . not friendship and I don't believe in slavery.



Sandi

Hippie Nation wrote:

c wrote:

love is a emotion which means it can be clicked on or off if one choose to ... the concept of love is simply the measure of tolerance you have for something...and this means that love is conditional

Love is not an emotion. Love is trust. Joy is usually the emotion we attach to love.

just because someone believe that they are in love with someone is not a guarnatee that either person can be trusted ... so that is why Love is not trust it's an emotion

c wrote:

love is a emotion which means it can be clicked on or off if one choose to ... the concept of love is simply the measure of tolerance you have for something...and this means that love is conditional

Love is not an emotion. We may place emotions upon it and weigh it down but love is a spiritual force.



Sandi