Exd 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Dixie Wytch wrote:

5. Jesus believed in magic, he called it "prayer.”

Prayer is only magic if you are trying to change God's mind. That's magic. Prayer is aligning your will with God's will.

Dixie Wytch wrote:

LOL...blinded by dogma!!!

That whole Op is dogma dumbass

Cliff wrote:

HE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Newt??

I dated a witch in high school.



I asked her to get rid of my step dad. It didn't work, then she ran away from home.

Colossians 2:9 tells us that in Christ. all the fullness of the Deity (God) lived in bodily form..."



Of course he wasn't a "witch".

He is a part of the godhead.



In Matthew 12:22, Jesus healed a man who was blind and mute.

The crowd accused him of having his "powers" from Beelzebub (the devil)-



Christ repremanded them with a lengthy speech- and told them....

"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven."



He explicitly told them that His Power was by the Spirit of God!

I bumped up yesterdays conversation for you. I noticed you changed your picture and reposted.

Dixie Wytch wrote:

So if I say my power comes from the spirit of God...does that make me "of the Godhead" ???

YAWN!!!!!

You got burnt here yesterday, changed your picture, came back. Thats so funny.

(laughing)

Dixie Wytch wrote:

"I believe Jesus was a witch. He worked miracles or what we would call magic, cured people and did most things expected from a witch and he had his coven of thirteen."

So if Jesus were here today, he'd be a witch" 13 reasons why:



1. Jesus criticized the hypocrisy and legalism of religion and chose to embrace an alternative spiritual path.

2. Jesus was a psychic healer.

3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person.

4. Jesus lived close to nature.

5. Jesus believed in magic, he called it "prayer.”

6. Jesus could command the weather.

7. Jesus had a profound relationship with the elements.

8. Like a shaman, Jesus could channel spirits.

9. Jesus was comfortable with sensuality and eroticism.

10. In his way, Jesus practiced the Wiccan Rede, (10 commandments)

11. In his way, Jesus advocated Perfect Love and Perfect Trust.

12. His enemies accused Jesus of being under the influence of demons.

13. Jesus was killed, unfairly, for his "blasphemy".



Jesus would have accepted the Goddess:

Peter Gandy, a historian, and Timothy Freke, an expert on world spirituality, tells us that the earliest Christian stories focused on the Christ and the Goddess. The original Christians saw Jesus as the Christ and Mary Magdalene as the Goddess Sophia. And, according to Gandy and Freke, the Roman church suppressed these "original" Christians so that the Goddess myths ended up being left out of the Church's teaching. If Jesus were here today, he would love the Goddess and bring together heaven and earth, body and soul, freedom and love.



Ok, so

Jesus was a witch or would be considered one today

and Jesus Would embrace the Goddess...



BUT WHICH "JESUS" AM I TALKING ABOUT?



In our culture today, there are countless different interpretations of Jesus. Among them are a very traditional Jesus loved by evangelical Christians; a Jesus of the Gnostic Scriptures and Eastern Orthodox themes; A Jesus based upon Roman Catholic sources; just about every Christian denomination has their own view of who Jesus was. Even the ancient gospels present differing views of Jesus. According to Biblical scholars, our primary sources about Jesus, Mark, John and Thomas present different images of the man:



Mark's Jesus tries to hide his Messiahship, keeping it from being known, while he goes around exorcizing demons left and right.

John's Jesus is a wine maker who openly proclaims his equality with God, does no exorcisms, and encounters the devil only in his betrayer, Judas.

Thomas' Jesus is a teacher of secret truths and the focus is on Jesus' words not on what he did.



THE PROBLEM TODAY IS SEPARATING

JESUS FROM THE CHURCH



All of the ancient sources and most modern descriptions of Jesus are interpretations that are heavily loaded with Church theory. Most Biblical scholars agree that the gospels contain some words and acts of Jesus, but that the are mostly commentary by church leaders; words attributed to Jesus which were said by others; Old Testament rewritten incorrectly; borrowed pagan legends and stories featuring Jesus and church propaganda; the stories were made more entertaining in order to convert more people. They were never intended as historical documents, nor should they be taken as such today. The teachings of Jesus were softened; difficult sayings of his were made easier to accept. Modern versions of Jesus blur history, church theology and modern views. Jesus who was the son of God becomes God the Son; Jesus’ divine spirit overcomes his evil earthly human flesh; Jesus is a victim in a cruel world controlled by greed and superpowers.



WHO JESUS WAS

VS.

WHO THE CHURCH WANTS JESUS TO BE



The pre-Christian historical Jesus was an individual who lived from 4 B.C.E. to 30 C.E.; a flesh and blood human being, a Galilean Jew (viewed as an outsider by the Jerusalem leaders); a traveling rabbi; a philosopher/teacher; advocate of the poor and powerless; developer of a new social order (throwing off dependence on rich class); a healer; an innocent man who was crucified.



The Church's Jesus is Moralistic and a non-sexual puritan; Light skinned with a straight nose (Jewish, but looks English); Liked by everybody but bad, mean people; Always polite and nice, "gentle Jesus" Fully obedient to the law and to God; Votes Republican; Goes to church every Sunday; Never played around with magic, sorcery or Ouija boards; Sacrificed himself and so he is the one and only way to God



JESUS AND PAGANS TODAY:

What WE have in common with the historical Jesus...



Jesus was a spiritual person: his beliefs effected everything he did; Jesus was a shaman: he had visions, spirit journeys, enlightenment; Jesus was multi-cultural; Jesus was a teacher of unconventional spiritual wisdom; Jesus talks a lot about Nature; He spoke of seeds, grain, wheat, soil, birds, crows, sparrows, doves, pigeons, snakes, fish, dogs, camels, sheep, lilies, grass, figs, vineyards, lightning, fire, sunshine, rain, salt, wine, olive oil, wood, pearls. Jesus was a healer using psychic energy (similar to Rieki, by laying on of hands)



THE HISTORIAL JESUS AND PAGANS: DIFFERENCES



Jesus as a Jew was undoubtedly monotheistic. However, there are witches today who are monotheistic, worshiping only the Goddess; and there are also witches who see the divine as one. The pagan Aristotle (300 years before Jesus) believed in one God as well. So, it is possible to be a witch or a pagan and be a monotheist. Jesus called God "Abba", "Father" not Mother. Jesus chose an informal address to God in prayer, "Abba, ” which was a balance against traditional formal prayers of the time; But, if Jesus saw the imbalance today in the "Father" prayers of patriarchal Christianity, it would be logical to assume that he might call for a balance of Father/Mother? Jesus most likely did not use astrology or divination. But we see that Jesus never condemned astrologers and other magical people as the Church has done with often ruthless persecution. Jesus knew about magical healings, so wouldn't it be possible that he might be open to other magical workings today?



Some of the "magical" miracle stories are clearly borrowed from pagan myths ("walking on water" and Dionysus), and none of them can be proven "historically". Yet as a healer, he appears to have done magic by combining psychic energy and the elements; that he did miracles/magical workings is accepted by scholars, even though particular incidences cannot be proven. Jesus could explain Bible passages which speak against witchcraft because He would recognize the ancient languages and know that they refer to "poisoners" NOT "witches"?



What would Jesus think of pagan sexuality? Jesus' sexuality, often guessed at is actually unknown. Was he active/chaste; married/single; straight/gay/bi; Monogamous/poly; we don't know. In his culture Rabbis were expected to be married, and he could have legally had more than one wife. Was he married to Mary Magdalene? Was he intimate with his male disciples the way teachers in the world at that time were? We don't know and I think the question is left open.



SO, WAS JESUS A WITCH?

WOULD HE BE CONSIDERED A WITCH TODAY?



A lot depends on how you define a "witch.” Jesus clearly has spiritual attributes which many witches today share in common with him. At the very least, one would expect that he would not be hateful and condemning as his followers have been; he would be against witch hunts and persecution. And I believe that he would no doubt show divine love to witches today.



Fiona Horne, Wiccan author, sums up what some of us feel about the Rabbi of Nazareth:



"I like Jesus and so do many other Witches. It's not his fault that Christianity is so confused today, and as a person he was a very special guy, wise and generous, selfless and loving. I think he'd be horrified to see what his teachings have come to today. If he was around today, with his values of tolerance, acceptance, respect for Nature and fellow people, he'd be considered a Witch!"

1. Jesus criticized the hypocrisy and legalism of religion and chose to embrace an alternative spiritual path. he claimed them to be hypocrits, that doesn't mean they were, infact, the text makes very clear that they were NOT hypocrits

2. Jesus was a psychic healer. many of performed miracles, but ok

3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person. no, he acknowledged the divinity within him, he makes NO reference that i recall to the divine in anyone else

4. Jesus lived close to nature. so do lots of mad psycho-killers

5. Jesus believed in magic, he called it "prayer.” yeah

6. Jesus could command the weather. so

7. Jesus had a profound relationship with the elements. right *dripping sarcasm*

8. Like a shaman, Jesus could channel spirits. yeah, spirits of what though

9. Jesus was comfortable with sensuality and eroticism. lol, this is too easy, not going to touch this one

10. In his way, Jesus practiced the Wiccan Rede, (10 commandments). he did NOT practice the 10 commandments, despite the fact that people want to claim that he did, he couldn't even recite them when asked, he didn't know what they were

11. In his way, Jesus advocated Perfect Love and Perfect Trust. yeah, ok

12. His enemies accused Jesus of being under the influence of demons. yeah, problem with that....the text declares that his "enemies" said lots of things that they would have never said, so, i don't trust the text when it claims that these people, who do NOT beleive in demonic possession, would have accused him of demonic possession

13. Jesus was killed, unfairly, for his "blasphemy". no, by the laws of Torah, he was worthy of the death penalty, he was killed justly, NOT unfairly

This from the woman who thinks witchcraft and paganism are religions.

Dixie Wytch wrote:

12. His enemies accused Jesus of being under the influence of demons. yeah, problem with that....the text declares that his "enemies" said lots of things that they would have never said, so, i don't trust the text when it claims that these people, who do NOT beleive in demonic possession, would have accused him of demonic possession





LOL...of course you don't trust the BIBLE when it says something you don't agree with...LOL ... But the parts that you agree with are the absolute truth ...RIGHT? Give me a break....even a grocery list translated as many times as the bible has been wouldn't be close to the same when it was finished.

I read hebrew.





You, on the other hand, read ravenwolf.

"Wytch" HAHAHA