Messiah : The Criteria



Judge for yourself:

Did Jesus fulfill ALL these criteria?



The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah".





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First of all, he must be Jewish - "...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)



He must be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)



To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.



He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)



The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!



He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)



Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?



He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)



At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!



He will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3)



Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?







He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)



The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.



He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)



there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.



All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:



And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.



If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.



Certainly NOT Jesus.







(Jews For Judaism)

Jesus Hater.

are u pionting out all jews lived in jerusilum at the time of jesus





daniel 12:7 there is one man walking on water another on the other side of the river and he says and i swear by him that livith for ever when he acomplishes to scatter the power of the holy people all things shall be complete

Count I believe all you have stated, but have a question, what will force the Jews, especially here comfortable in America to flee to Israel as we will. That is the scarey part, do you believe we are in for another holocaust or do you believe the transition will be peaceful??

Moishe



I am so sorry, you posted the information for us.



Thank you so much

i posted in the wrong thread i meant to post in his other one

Is Yashua another name for Jesus??? I am a Jew, and I don't believe in Jesus. That is not in our teachings.

Loraine wrote:

Is Yashua another name for Jesus??? I am a Jew, and I don't believe in Jesus. That is not in our teachings.

Jesus (Yehashua) was a Jew, odds are you guys believed the same things.Get to know the guy and you might like Him.

Loraine wrote:

Count I believe all you have stated, but have a question, what will force the Jews, especially here comfortable in America to flee to Israel as we will. That is the scarey part, do you believe we are in for another holocaust or do you believe the transition will be peaceful??

All I stated was that the poster was a Jesus hater. Did I miss something?

You stay here.I'm fleeing to Israel.

Moshe wrote:

Messiah : The Criteria



Judge for yourself:

Did Jesus fulfill ALL these criteria?



The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah".



There is no character in the bible called "THE MESSISAH". and it is not found in any prophesy



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First of all, he must be Jewish - "...you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you." (Deuteronomy 17:15)



We don't have kings anymore, we have a President and a Prime minister etc. Kings are inherently corrupt and dangerous



He must be a member of the tribe of Judah - "The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet..." (Genesis 49:10)

There is no law that prevents a Levite from being president



To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.



He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13)



3000 years and who can say who is a descedant of David? And who isn't?



The genealogy of the New Testament is inconsistent. While it gives two accounts of the genealogy of Joseph, it states clearly that he is not the biological father of Jesus. One of the genealogies is through Nathan and not Solomon altogether!



NT geniologies are based on chronicles



He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel -"And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isaiah 11:12)



He can't do that, nodoy can



Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus?



not since the time of asurbanipal



He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - "...and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them.." (Ezekiel 37:26 - 27)



This could cause a war



At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was DESTROYED! Just the opposite of this prophecy!



Why bother with Jesus?



He will rule at a time of world-wide peace - "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." (Micah 4:3)



and the Bible also says



Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I [am] strong.



Have you seen a newspaper lately? Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?



and not before either



He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d's commandments - "My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes." (Ezekiel 37:24)



I like shellfish



The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.



yes like the 1st commandment



He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d - "And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd" (Isaiah 66:23)



there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold.



All of these criteria are best stated in the book of Ezekiel Chapter 37 verses 24-28:



And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.



If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.



Certainly NOT Jesus.

There will be no messiah. it is a cargo cult. taking verses out of context proves nothing

ONE NATION UNDER THE BOMB wrote:

If I was a rich man... wrote:

Ooooh, ok...



Question for you: do you believe you go to heaven after death?

There is no heaven in Judaism.

The World to Come.

ONE NATION UNDER THE BOMB wrote:

count scottula wrote:

Jesus Hater.

I would hate Jesus to if my people where persucated for thousands of years by his followers.

It's better to hate those who persecute you than to hate the innocent man in whose name they claim to do it in.

>>"A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that to date, no one has fulfilled every condition.



Certainly NOT Jesus.<<"



Hmmm...that's strange. Would I then explain my encounter with meeting Him 30 years ago as a dellusion, and excuse my complete, overnight life change as something I caused to happen? Oh, and how about the way he has provided me with what I needed consistantly for 30 years...The fact that He healed my son from autism, a son who was completely out of it and in his own world...who now serves in the millitary in Iraq? Nobody, no human, could have taken my damaged psyche and healed it instantaneously as He did. I did not have the the ability to change myself--let-alone--overnight, and live off of the memory of a dellusion for 30 years. Though I had never heard the voice of God before, I recognized it immediately, with a familiarity that I had known this voice once before. A voice that didn't need to speak into my ears, but rather spoke into my entire being with authority and love and familairity. As we watch this world culminate into a close of an age of time... can we still stand there and say "Our Messiah still has not come?" I'm sorry you feel this way, and I'm sorry for the separation it puts between us, but I am NOT sorry for knowing Jesus.

Susie

You know how much I love you and I do not doubt what you are saying, but I had very similiar accountings and I believe G-d sent my guardian angel to give me the help I needed, every one has a gardian angel and it is a toold of G-d to get warnings or help to people when needed, sometimes those dreams you have come from there;



I am not belittling your belief, but I am stating we ahe a different wa of seeing thngs.



Love yha



Loraine

Loraine wrote:

Susie

You know how much I love you and I do not doubt what you are saying, but I had very similiar accountings and I believe G-d sent my guardian angel to give me the help I needed, every one has a gardian angel and it is a toold of G-d to get warnings or help to people when needed, sometimes those dreams you have come from there;



I am not belittling your belief, but I am stating we ahe a different wa of seeing thngs.



Love yha



Loraine

Yeah, I guess I get all worked up. But I love Jesus, and I could never thank Him enough, or bow low enough for all He has done for me, and my family. Loving our Creator is what is most important, and HE is able to reveal Himself for who He is. In fact... He MUST reveal Himself, because we can't reveal Him to ourselves. I understand this. I love you too, Loraine. :) Very much!



Susie